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Post by andrew on Mar 23, 2017 7:43:59 GMT -7
So I would REALLY like to try a rebuildable, but I am a complete novice when it comes to the idea. I've read the other threads, watched videos and read lots of reviews and instructional sites. The Kayfun v5 seems to be the way to go, but my question is;
Would you guys recommend taking the plunge with such an expensive atomizer when I have no experience with it?
Thanks,
Andrew
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Post by fredkite on Mar 23, 2017 7:58:14 GMT -7
So I would REALLY like to try a rebuildable, but I am a complete novice when it comes to the idea. I've read the other threads, watched videos and read lots of reviews and instructional sites. The Kayfun v5 seems to be the way to go, but my question is; Would you guys recommend taking the plunge with such an expensive atomizer when I have no experience with it? Thanks, Andrew In a nutshell andrew ... yes. I bit the bullet with a Kayfun V2.1 and my first coils were an absolute joke but I persevered and now they are good. I bought a coilmaster kit and use the jig and winder. I've since bought a Kayfun Mini V3 and a Kayfun 5 and I find building coils and installing them easy on all three .. but I didn't at first.
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Post by fredkite on Mar 23, 2017 8:08:52 GMT -7
Forgot to add .. at first I couldn't get the amount of wick right .. too much. too little but again, I persevered and now I get it about right most times!
The beauty of the Kayfun 5 is that you can access the build deck without having to empty the tank so if something is wrong, it's easy to have a look and put it right.
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Post by andrew on Mar 23, 2017 8:27:37 GMT -7
Forgot to add .. at first I couldn't get the amount of wick right .. too much. too little but again, I persevered and now I get it about right most times! The beauty of the Kayfun 5 is that you can access the build deck without having to empty the tank so if something is wrong, it's easy to have a look and put it right. The ease of access to the build deck was one of my main reasons for leaning towards the v5. Thanks for the advice. Any recommendations for a good tool kit and supplies?
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Post by PipeSmith on Mar 23, 2017 8:53:47 GMT -7
There's often a bit of apprehension for guys jumping into their first rebuildable, and most of this stems from horror stories across the Internet. These stories tend to center around overly-complex and/or supper-low-ohm builds, or "you're going to put your eye out with that thing" posts stemming from those who know nothing of what they're going on about. Don't let the whinings of these timid creatures rob you of the greater experience attained through building your own device, nor the personal satisfaction of achievement and knowing it's right because you built it yourself. Essentially, there are primary prerequisites that one needs before considering to take on rebuilding: 1) The ability to count to 10 (most often, only to 7 or 8) 2) Understand "righty-tighty, lefty loosey" It really is that easy - 6, 7, or 8 wraps (depending on the gauge wire being used and the mandrel wound around), loosen the deck screws, secure each leg of the coil under their respective deck screw, tighten deck screws, check ohm load, test fire, wick, saturate, install tank, fill, and vape. If you can follow directions thoroughly enough to tie your shoes, I promise you can do this, and will open a whole new world in your piping experience. The V5 is definitively my choice for a 22mm tank on the Huntsman pipe (using mine right now, actually). The coil and wick process is pretty much the same (for our purposes - no crazy coils here) regardless the deck it's being installed on, so I would definitely choose one with, as fredkite mentioned, the access to the build deck without dumping juice, as well as the ability to be tailored to your personal vaping preference. V5 wins. Any help you need at all with getting it set up, recommended/ favored coils or wicking, or any other V5 alterations/ upgrades/ modifications - we're only a post/ email/ text/ phone call away. PS ETA: Tools - There are a myriad of tools and coil jigs available to help with setting up your coil - likely some guys here will have some insight on those. Personally, I use a 2.5mm diameter screwdriver (3/32" will do) for most of my builds, with 3mm as an occasional option. A small screwdriver for the deck screws (or 1.5mm hex key if you opt for the V5 upgrade), a small pair of needle-nose pliers or hemostats, small wire cutters, and means to check the ohm load of your build will get you going. For wicking material, I use the organic Japanese cotton (Koh Gen Do). This can be ordered from many on-line vaping retailers, but you will find a much more economically attractive option of ordering it in bulk from a cosmetics retailer. I give a lot away, and a bag can still last me a year+. There is also "Cotton Bacon" - I've never used it, but it' supposed to be pretty good wicking. The silica will most likely leave you disappointed. For coil wire, you'll look for Kanthal A1 in an appropriate gauge. I would recommend beginning with 28ga as you learn and become comfortable with building, as it is pretty easy to work with, then you can choose if you'd like to move up to a slightly different wire as your comfort level increases. On-line retailers such as Kidney Puncher and Lightning Vapes are where I order my spools of wire; spools can range from a few feet, 30', 50', or 100' rolls.
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Post by gwbruce on Mar 23, 2017 10:13:55 GMT -7
I will second what Ken and Fred have already said. Don't be afraid, it isn't that hard. Probably your most important tool is a good ohm checker. Get you one of these and dive in and build a few coils. It may take you a few times to get it right but once you do. You will never go back to prebuilt coils.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask any of us here. We will be glad to help. Good luck.
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Post by fredkite on Mar 23, 2017 11:51:38 GMT -7
Forgot to add .. at first I couldn't get the amount of wick right .. too much. too little but again, I persevered and now I get it about right most times! The beauty of the Kayfun 5 is that you can access the build deck without having to empty the tank so if something is wrong, it's easy to have a look and put it right. The ease of access to the build deck was one of my main reasons for leaning towards the v5. Thanks for the advice. Any recommendations for a good tool kit and supplies? I bought the Coilmaster kit, it comes with everything you need to get going including a little ohm meter, ceramic tweezers, tweezers, screwdrivers, scissors, etc.. I paid about £35 from Amazon.co.uk so I'm sure Amazon.com will have them. Some people I know do as PipeSmith describes, simply hand-wrapping them around a 2.5mm screwdriver so the choice is yours, you could be up and running for a few quid or do like I did and spend a bit more on a complete kit.
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Post by fredkite on Mar 23, 2017 11:57:00 GMT -7
andrew .. this is the kit I have but like PipeSmith said, you don't need a kit, I just got one for easiness! Coilmaster V2
I think the V3 is out now but it will be similar I'm sure.
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Post by Butch on Mar 23, 2017 17:15:55 GMT -7
what they all said.........the talk on the forums make it sound a whole lot harder than it is. All you really need is a youtube vid then go fot it.
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Post by Peter on Mar 23, 2017 18:21:44 GMT -7
Think of it this way. All you are doing is making a spring that doesn't sproing. It is pretty simple once you get into it. It can actually be fairly relaxing.
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Post by fredkite on Apr 7, 2017 10:44:14 GMT -7
andrew .. did you make any progress on getting a rebuildable?
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Post by andrew on Apr 8, 2017 5:10:49 GMT -7
I did, I received my repaired and updated pipe today (thanks Ken) and the Kayfun v5 earlier in the week. I am getting it all set up and practicing making coils and wicks now. One question though, with 28 gauge Kanthal on 25, how many loops should I be making?
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Post by PipeSmith on Apr 8, 2017 11:56:56 GMT -7
I did, I received my repaired and updated pipe today (thanks Ken) and the Kayfun v5 earlier in the week. I am getting it all set up and practicing making coils and wicks now. One question though, with 28 gauge Kanthal on 25, how many loops should I be making? andrew - 28ga on a 2.5mm mandrel should take between 5 and 6 wraps to get you around 1.0 - 1.2 ohm, with some dependence on how long each coil leg is. For standard A1 Kanthal wire, I like a small space between each coil - this is mostly personal preference for flavor. ALWAYS check your new build with an ohm meter once installed on the build deck. If the coil check within acceptable limits (you'll want to be above 0.8 ohm), fire it a few times, then check again that the deck screws are tight, re-check the resistance, load the wick, saturate, and you're ready for the tank and doing some piping. /K
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Post by andrew on Apr 8, 2017 17:09:34 GMT -7
Success! Fumbled around trying to make a coil (8 -10 failed attempts,) a couple failed wicks, but after a couple tutorial vids and re-reading the advice here, we have a good tasteful hit! Thank you all for the tips!
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Post by fredkite on Apr 9, 2017 1:11:22 GMT -7
I did, I received my repaired and updated pipe today (thanks Ken) and the Kayfun v5 earlier in the week. I am getting it all set up and practicing making coils and wicks now. One question though, with 28 gauge Kanthal on 25, how many loops should I be making? andrew ... I make 8-wraps of 27ga at 2.5mm or 10-wraps of 26ga at 2.5mm and they both give me between 1.2ohms and 1.3ohms. I don't add spaces but instead squeeze my coil with ceramic tweezers whilst firing and when it's glowing red then sort of scrape across the coil, again whilst firing and when it's glowing red. Based on that, I would suggest 6-wraps of 28ga at 2.5mm would give a similar resistance. I find that 1.2ohms/1.3ohms is perfect for me but I do know that some folk prefer much higher resistance and some prefer much lower .. I'd just try different set-ups (noting what you've done) until you find what suits you then stick with that.
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